[DoctorEldritch]

@DracoTarot those are very good, I really liked the hand one. Others are good too (that cat 😍), but when it comes to art, I like things that come from imagination more than those based on the real world. Not hugely, though, they are both good, but I just somehow find the skill to convey what is in your imagination to be more impressive than the skill to illustrate with precision things that you can see. But that's me, to each his own, of course.

As for the music, it is interesting that you mention Metal and Goth, because just recently me and @galadrielmt had a small discussion on the subject. And to that end, a question for you @DracoTarot: have you tried playing Brutal Legend?

I am a jazz guy myself.

And I really liked your analogy that learning a new skill is like leveling up in a game. 😉

Originally Posted by DracoTarot

@LockOut totally agree with you there. No one is perfect 😀

Also, this phrase made me remember this bit from "Some like it hot":

[LockOut]

@DoctorEldritch what's wrong with this video 😂😂😂😂😂

[DoctorEldritch]

@LockOut this is from the end of "Some Like It Hot", a classic comedy from the late 50s starring Marylin Monroe. I think it is quite good, check it!

[DracoTarot]

@DoctorEldritch, thank you!! Most of the drawings I do are on request and the ones I've uploaded were examples for @LockOut to motivate and encourage 😊.

Using my imagination is constantly put to the test and had to do a few designs and drawings without an illustrative or visual guide. My next step is to compile a portfolio with my art and designs to pursue tattooing without the normal worldly visual stimulation. 😊

This will be the next project I'll focus on in the future. I'm just afraid what may come from my mind's eye may be seen as obscene and absurd by others. The only way is to put myself to the test and let my ideas flow and face criticism. 😁


Oh yes!! I've played Brutal Legend a lot. I had it on the Xbox 360 then the Xbox decided to call it a day and I lost the game saves and never bothered to start over 😀. I liked the game and it was enjoyable for most parts.

Something else I've enjoyed when focusing on music was Guitar Hero. I still owe all the disks. Plastic guitars and drums were fun until the ultimate and awesome release of Rocksmith. The real deal is always the best.

These days I prefer to listen to more subtle music. When I work or need a relaxing atmosphere I'll do classical music. Adrian Von Ziegler caught my attention for a while now. He is a Swiss composer.

[DoctorEldritch]

@DracoTarot That is kind of you, I am sure @LockOut appreciates it.

But I thought tattoo artists first draw something on paper and then use it as a reference and look at it when they draw, even if they imagined it when they first drew it? Then again, I confess I know nothing about how tattoos are done, never had one myself. I only know that even if drawing on a paper is nice, it may not make a good tattoo:



I think everything that comes from one's mind is obscene and absurd to some and not to others. Like Bosch, for example, his vision is interestingly bizarre. It is important to do your thing in art, at least I'd think so, though I never tried to create with my hands. So test away!

I know Guitar Hero, but I never played that. I did play Brutal Legend because it's easy on PC and gameplay is closer to what I like.

That music is nice! Along with the series, we may need a music-related thread to collect these little gems.

[LockOut]

@DoctorEldritch yeah I am appreciate but how to say it like it's something not only can learn it from chat I just want to know what he did to learn join college or someone learn him etc

[DracoTarot]

Originally Posted by DoctorEldritch

@DracoTarot That is kind of you, I am sure @LockOut appreciates it.

But I thought tattoo artists first draw something on paper and then use it as a reference and look at it when they draw, even if they imagined it when they first drew it? Then again, I confess I know nothing about how tattoos are done, never had one myself. I only know that even if drawing on a paper is nice, it may not make a good tattoo:



I think everything that comes from one's mind is obscene and absurd to some and not to others. Like Bosch, for example, his vision is interestingly bizarre. It is important to do your thing in art, at least I'd think so, though I never tried to create with my hands. So test away!

I know Guitar Hero, but I never played that. I did play Brutal Legend because it's easy on PC and gameplay is closer to what I like.

That music is nice! Along with the series, we may need a music-related thread to collect these little gems.

@DoctorEldritch you are 100% correct about your analyses when it comes to tattoos. A design on paper is needed to be transferred onto the body for line and shading work. It's the traditional way to do it.

What makes things very interesting is when a really good tattoo artist is able to draw freehand directly onto the skin without tracing. There are artists who draw without any illustrative reference. A client will ask for a specific design and the artist will just draw what comes to mind. It's a completely unique way of doing it.


Here's an example :)

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Originally Posted by LockOut

@DoctorEldritch yeah I am appreciate but how to say it like it's something not only can learn it from chat I just want to know what he did to learn join college or someone learn him etc

@LockOut I had no training and just started drawing and painting as a hobby. It was a self-thought process.

[DoctorEldritch]

@DracoTarot What about the stereotype that tattoo artists learn to tattoo on pigs before they are allowed to work on people? I heard that Wim Delvoye made it his trademark, but I am not sure how widespread the practice is. Which, in turn, provokes the question: how important is the painted person in a tattoo creation? Tattoo, I'd imagine, is a two person experience, the artists and"canvas", as it were, and person getting a tattoo has some symbolic investment (at least I'd think so). So it must be different if your canvas is a pig instead.



Yakuza game series put a lot of work in their tattoos, and in several instances they explain the symbolism of each in the game itself. And justly so, as yakuza are famous for their trademark tattoos. Have you tried that game? They have some very nice options:

[DracoTarot]

Originally Posted by DoctorEldritch

@DracoTarot What about the stereotype that tattoo artists learn to tattoo on pigs before they are allowed to work on people? I heard that Wim Delvoye made it his trademark, but I am not sure how widespread the practice is. Which, in turn, provokes the question: how important is the painted person in a tattoo creation? Tattoo, I'd imagine, is a two person experience, the artists and"canvas", as it were, and person getting a tattoo has some symbolic investment (at least I'd think so). So it must be different if your canvas is a pig instead.



Yakuza game series put a lot of work in their tattoos, and in several instances they explain the symbolism of each in the game itself. And justly so, as yakuza are famous for their trademark tattoos. Have you tried that game? They have some very nice options:

@DoctorEldritch there may have been some artist who went far enough to practice tattooing on pigs in the past and it's horrendous to think it may have happened.

It's not my intention to slander Wim Delvoye but my honest opinion is his work is not really that good. Most of his tattoos were religious markings and the usual flower or two. I read the pigs were marked with tattoos so the farmers in Asia could recognize their Drove. When they mix with other droves they are easily spotted. This practice was ended by tagging the drove of pings.

Pig napa, skin or leather is still used today for training purposes. Rookie tattoo artists would use authentic skin from a pig to practice on. Pigskin is the closest relative to human skin.

Any tattoo must be taken seriously and seen as a symbolic investment. People tend to see a beautiful picture or "COOL" image and spontaneously go and do a tattoo. Some don't even know what the symbolism means and would regret it afterwards.


The artist and the client must be as one when the decision is made and a true artist will reject any request if it seems unfit. It must not be for a quick buck or two. Sadly there are many out there who will only bother doing it for the money even if the tattoo is not meant for the specific individual.

I do know Yakuza well and I played the game ages ago. They really put a lot of effort into the game and the designs. Loved the game a lot. 😀

[AviationGamerX]

@LockOut sorry for the late reply but one of them is my current pfp, and this eagle portrait, both I drew polygons on, not really hard to make.