Thanks @SergeyBalashov for the clarification on the VRR since the official webpage for the Legion Go was showing VRR through yesterday. One more point of clarification requested: You stated earlier in the AMA that eGPUs had not been tested. However, at the IFA Berlin event, Lenovo had a sign out there stating the USB 4.0 ports were 40 Gbps and Thunderbolt 3. Either 40 Gbps or Thunderbolt 3 mean those ports are PCIe tunneling capable and at a lane width and versioning of 3.0 x4 as specified in the USB 4.0 standard. Additionally, to explicitly state Thunderbolt 3 compatibility as Lenovo did at IFA Berlin, traditionally, many manufacturers, such as Lenovo, Dell, Microsoft, and ASUS, I am acquainted with by way of the website I manage (TabletPCReview) will commonly internally test eGPUs to ensure exact compliance and full compatibility within the Thunderbolt ecosystem. Can you double check your contacts in the engineering team within the corporation to verify what testing has occurred to ensure said advertised Thunderbolt 3 compatibility which had been expressly advertised at IFA Berlin?
Mate the only thing to note here is you haven't read the previous 10 pages of this thread have you? Note - why go over old stuff? He's said it's not coming. Leave it at that rather than waste everybody's time?
Think of it a different way. Maybe it's budget related. Maybe Originally the go was penned down to have vrr. Right now the Asus Rog ally is its main competitor, price wise. The go already has far more expensive features (the detachable controllers, FPS mode, faster ram, bigger screen etc etc) for the same money. Obviously the go costs more to develop and produce than the ally and yet the rrp is the same. If they added vrr, would that add to the cost to the end consumer? Yes, as no doubt Lenovo will have a profit margin to meet. So increased rrp means the ally is obviously cheaper. A lot of people look at specs when buying a new device, but just as many decide what they're buying with their wallet rather than their heart. If the go is X amount more than the ally, potentially a sizeable chunk of the market is going to go with the cheaper option. So to keep cost down to the consumer and stay competitive to the ally, vrr was omitted.
We definitely all want to see it succeed. It doesn't need vrr to do that, on top of all the other benefits it has over other pc based handhelds. 👍
Yes, @Geekfest84, I have read all 10 pages and then some. My reasons for reasking come from decades of experience on this front by virtue of my involvement in the tablet PC industry. I have seen dozens of marketing contacts come and go in my time. And in that time, I have learned that it is better to ask and reask since there are contacts who will confidently and unabashedly claim things as @SergeyBalashov did. And then, lo and behold, their confirmed information proves to be wrong despite their contagious exuberance and skillful explanations. Bear in mind that Lenovo's size as a global corporation is both a blessing and a hindrance. That immense size in terms of employees puts a much longer chain of communication between the most intimately involved engineers and him and we all know from our childhoods how the game of telephone works. At this point, I am satisfied with his response that there is no VRR, but I will be waiting on third party outlets like ThePhawx to verify all the final technical details.
My point was let's not waste @SergeyBalashov time in this ama asking the same questions over and over. It was answered the first time and then a second, the subject didn't need dragging up again 👍 especially when this ama could be put to better use.
Your definitely right about the size of a company being a help and a hinderance. I guess some of the marketing departments across the globe haven't got the memo/email yet 😂👍
So after looking at the screen of the Legion y700 tablet (with pen support) it looks like that display is a 8.8 inch 2560x1600 display which is the same exact specs as the screen on the Legion Go. That makes me hopeful that there is indeed pen support on the Legion Go (As I assume that you folks would just be using the same exact part for both to cut down on manufacturing costs). I can't wait to hear what you discover on that front, Sergey, and thank you very much for doing this AMA. I feel like it's not often that somebody that's a part of a big company interacts like this with their community, so that is much appreciated!
Has Lenovo done internal thermal tests regarding any heat issues of using the MicroSD card reader while playing high demanding games while at higher TDPs?
- Oh yes, we are watching what happens closely. We absolutely did account for that.
Hi, do you think you can provide more insight into what went into the decision to make the battery the size it is? While it's 20% larger ?
- Sure. We knew right away that we aim for higher screen with thinner bezels, so we had some spare space in XY-axis . Then we understood that we aim for good cooling with a thick-height fan, giving us extra Z-axis space. Then we understood that we also aim for detachable controllers that will need some extra recharge capacity when attached.
- All above, combined with extra power consumption of higher speed LPDDR5X and a bit higher energy consumption of the screen (accent on a bit) concluded natura l choice of implementing a bigger battery.
€799 would it be for the 512GB model or the 1TB model?
- The 512GB model is €799.
- The 1TB model will most likely not make it to shelf space in 2023.
Questions that I wrote down and will come back to:
(presumably next week, but if I can't fetch answers next week, I will at least post about progress)
- Controllers holder (simple pastic and/or powerbank one)
- Controllers ability to connect to laptop (doubt it)
- 10-12 bit HDR screen
- Screen hardness, oleophobic qualities, anti-reflection qualities
- Screen Windows pen protocol support
- Max TDP, max battery TDP (active testing ongoing, don't expect fast answer)
- Battery life both main unit and controllers (also still ongoing, don't expect fast answer)
- Reliability ratings for hinges and controllers detach cycles
- Quick buttons for RSR and RIS
- FPS limiter in the software
- Details on haptics
I will also re-read the whole thread next week to pick everything that did not make it in the list above, but I think we have covered the majority of possible topics.
Hi Everyone!
Thanks a lot for all your questions.
Today I got for you:
- Oh yes, we are watching what happens closely. We absolutely did account for that.
- Sure. We knew right away that we aim for higher screen with thinner bezels, so we had some spare space in XY-axis . Then we understood that we aim for good cooling with a thick-height fan, giving us extra Z-axis space. Then we understood that we also aim for detachable controllers that will need some extra recharge capacity when attached.
- All above, combined with extra power consumption of higher speed LPDDR5X and a bit higher energy consumption of the screen (accent on a bit) concluded natura l choice of implementing a bigger battery.
- The 512GB model is €799.
- The 1TB model will most likely not make it to shelf space in 2023.
Questions that I wrote down and will come back to:
(presumably next week, but if I can't fetch answers next week, I will at least post about progress)
- Controllers holder (simple pastic and/or powerbank one)
- Controllers ability to connect to laptop (doubt it)
- 10-12 bit HDR screen
- Screen hardness, oleophobic qualities, anti-reflection qualities
- Screen Windows pen protocol support
- Max TDP, max battery TDP (active testing ongoing, don't expect fast answer)
- Battery life both main unit and controllers (also still ongoing, don't expect fast answer)
- Reliability ratings for hinges and controllers detach cycles
- Quick buttons for RSR and RIS
- FPS limiter in the software
- Details on haptics
I will also re-read the whole thread next week to pick everything that did not make it in the list above, but I think we have covered the majority of possible topics.
Not saying "bye" just yet, stay tuned!
Thanks for your answer Sergey. I will be happy to buy the 512GB version. But I wonder why the 1TB version won't come out this year. It really is a version that many people are thinking of buying. If I weren't going to change the SSD for one with a higher capacity, I would get the 1TB one. And having to wait until next year would make it lose part of its appeal. That's what I think. If the public wants the 1TB version and only has 512GB, either they have a lot of patience or they buy the 512GB version and expand it with a microSD. And very few people, like me, would open the machine to change the SSD. I think having the version 1tb from the beginning would make you reach from the release of legion go your possible potential audience. That's my opinion
Hi! I sincerely hope you change your mind about 1 TB SSD, because it will force me (everyone) to spend more money to buy a 1TB SSD, open up the LEGION GO, replace the memory myself (hoping to not void the warranty when doing this), cloning the starting ssd, reallocating the free place in new ssd....
As today, we are in 2023: 512Gb are the MINIMUM/STANDARD space for a top smartphone (since you'll use this place for casual gaming, some heavy-spaced games, pictures, documents etc.)
But, for a top gaming console, able to play AAA games (and those requires a LOT of free memory on hard disk) we need REALLY big storage! So, the STANDARD/MINIMUM free space is 1TB. I hope you start with 1TB ssd... putting 512 GB only it's like to get 5 "👍" and 1 "👎", instead of having 6 👍after your explanation about no VRR on LEGION GO's screen.
I really hope you get my point 😉
To tell you the truth, I myself got my hype about buying LEGION GO pretty turned off, about to changing my mind buying it, after reading this new about no 1TB version but 512TB only.
Steam Deck, too, has 64GB for 420 bucks and 512GB version for 680 bucks. But I accept to pay WAY LESS to get a low memory, then replacing it myself, knowing VALVE won't void my warranty doing this (as long as I don't break anything while replacing my ssd). So, 420 Bucks + almost 80 bucks for 1TB SSD = 500 bucks, instead of 680 bucks for half the final memory (for people who know what they do, like me and most people out here).
So, if you put 699 euros for 512GB and, maybe in the future, 799 euros for 1TB version, well, this will make my hype going up again, since I'm saving my money so I'll nicely do the job (buying an 1TB ssd etc). The Saving will be almost nothing (since 1 TB 2242 SSD, to ME, a private person who buy just ONE ssd, will be about 100 bucks), but I'll put my hands on a LEGION GO as soon as you put it for sale.
But, to pay 799 euros (almost my monthly salary) to buy something "incomplete" I'm forced to open it, spend another amount of money to get it "complete"... you know.... honestly, makes me wanna pass!
That's why STEAM DECK is still the best and most sold gaming handled console and ASUS ROG ALLY still lurks in STEAM DECK's shadow. Don't repeat the really same mistake ASUS did. Thanks!
Will there be production units sent to reviewers before the availability date of October 31st?
Are we going to see final reviews before that date?
I would also like to know if the panel is recognized as HDR in windows 11, i.e. it supports 10 or 12bit color at full resolution.
No consumer grade display has 12bit supporting physical panel. 12bit depth color is only discernible at 4000nits and above. Movie industry itself sell recordings with color information discernible till 4000nits. Whatever "12bit" people see is on software and interface/cable specs. Displays downrates to 10bit once it receives a 12bit signal. For analogy, a bulb pointed to your eyes might be capable of generating IR/UV light along with visible light, but your eyes can not sense IR/UV and has no way to know the torch bulb is sending you IR/UV or not at a given moment.
It's been only 2months TCL announced the first >4000nits TV for consumers and it's 10bit like every consumer TV. It's going to be a long time for 12bit to actually mean something in physical panels, or make any difference on the viewer's experience.
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