[DoctorEldritch]

@DracoTarot Well, classic and country music is relatively easy there and almost self-explanatory. Jazz some say comes from "jasm", a slang term for "energy and vitality" from the 1860s, which makes sense. I do not know about others, though.

I wonder. In the past, getting to go to a concert and seeing stars "live" was a big thing, and people were keen on doing that. These days they still do, but I wonder if to the same extent or less. Could be that people do not carve that "personal" connection to idols as much in the digital era. Which, in turn, may make musicians feel less appreciated.

[DracoTarot]

@DoctorEldritch Interesting! Didn't know that. Well, Jazz music does have a lot of "energy and vitality" especially when dancing is involved.

In the past going to a concert was a huge thing. People preferred to see their favoured artists and bands on stage and live first before buying a record or CD.

Most of the sales came from live concerts. Today not so much because the tickets to attend are so expensive and yes because of the digital era it's easier to buy the albums and much cheaper.

I think the venues also play a big part in it. Some venues are so small and all who want to attend do not have an opportunity. The venues also do not allow bands to play at the venue for a couple of days and will be a once of thing.

[DoctorEldritch]

@DracoTarot Jazz did have a lot of improvisation back then. Still does, but not as much, you need to go to those jazz bars to get that vibe. Same as you need to go to metal band concert live to proper feel, I suppose...

But hey, it's all the inevitable march of progress. Long ago music was the realm of minstrels and bards and tied to vocal tradition, we have come a long way since then. Sure, live performances are loosing significance somewhat, but as a tradeoff, we have access to music on a level we could not dream even 30 years ago. You win some, you lose some...

As for the venues, I am not sure how they operate exactly, never been to any. I'll trust your expertise on that.

[DracoTarot]

@DoctorEldritch We do not have any live venues left. Most of them were closed by you know who, our lovely government.

If bands are lucky enough to find a venue to play in, it's usually small, and not many fans can go and watch. Bands are also forced not to ask for an entry fee or if tickets are available they are cheap.

[DoctorEldritch]

@DracoTarot What about something spontaneous, like an impromptu music performance in a desert or something like that, venueless, as it were? I hear events like this are a thing sometimes.

[DracoTarot]

@DoctorEldritch A desert can work LOL! The only thing that would be a big issue is the logistics. You know with the temperatures reaching up to 45 degrees here a bunch of people together will need a lot of attention. I think it would cost a humongous load of money.


Actually, we had a festival called Oppikoppi a few years back and plenty of bands partake in this event. It was held in the Bushveld as we call it here but once again the government stopped it all.

[DoctorEldritch]

@DracoTarot Maybe there are some lessons to be learned from existing desert festivals, like the Sandbox Festival in Egypt or the Monegros Desert Festival in Spain. Not sure how high the temperatures go there, but there are bound to be some tricks like holding the main event at a specific time of the evening when it is no longer too hot or too cold, or something else.

And maybe the way to go is a smaller scale? Those I mentioned and Oppikoppi are the big festivals, but something smaller scale with only a few bands could be easier to manage and fly under the government radar?

[DracoTarot]

@DoctorEldritch Flying under the radar is mostly impossible. First, a licence for the night to operate is required. Second, if there is liquor on the premises, even if you bring your own, a permit is needed.

I mean such a venue will be a bit load and there's no way to escape a visit from the Metro Police and they will enter the venue and request the documentation. If something is out of place they will close the doors and sometimes issue up to a $ 10,000 fine.

The logistics have become unbearable and that's why people do not go through the trouble anymore.



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@DracoTarot Another utterly ridiculous thing is when a venue is close to a church or religious venue, those people will draw up petitions and be KARENS.

Metal or rock concerts are frowned upon and yeah like you know always linked to some kind of evil practice. So 90% of the time the whole thing is canceled.

Cancel culture at its best!!!

[DoctorEldritch]

@DracoTarot How big must a gathering be to constitute an event? I mean, at what point does a big house party with friends who play music for each other in essentially a big private gathering turn into something that needs a license?

Speaking of cancel culture, did you get a chance to take a look at Douglas is Cancelled yet? And that Hysteria! series I mentioned to you before is out, too, I am watching it right now.

[DracoTarot]

@DoctorEldritch At least 200 up to 500 people in a small venue is sufficient and a concert needs a few thousand.

House parties, on the other hand, are a different scenario and, in some cases, a bit boring. Yes, if you are going to have a party, you still need permission from the neighbourhood and metro.

In certain areas, music may only be played loud until 10 pm and no later.

Haven't watched Douglas is Cancelled yet. I will make a point of it this coming week.